Romans Notes: What Does the Bible Say About Gay?

November 16th, 2009 by bryancurrie

Mention an almond tree to anyone who was at last week’s What Does the Bible Say About Gay? Bible study, and they’ll likely cringe. Why? Click here to download the notes and find out.

During our most recent study, we walked through Paul’s cause/effect argument in Romans 1, a passage that is often troubling for modern gay Christians. But as we saw last Thursday, reading the passage with an ancient understanding changes everything.

Our next What Does the Bible Say About Gay? will be on December 3. At this last study in the series, we’ll read through 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and look at some interesting slang Paul invented for his 1st Century readers. Join us on Dec 3 to learn more!

What Does the Bible Say About Gay: who are “they” & why did God give “them” over?

November 9th, 2009 by bryancurrie

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction:

If you eat an ice-cream cone, you smile.
If you push a child of his bike, he cries.
If you put laundry bleach on your hair… well, you get the idea.

This if/then style is the basis for Paul’s logic in Romans 1:18-32, an argument that has been used for centuries to condemn homosexuality. It basically states that “because somebody did X, God made Y happen.”

But what if X does not = homosexuality? How would that change our understanding of the condemnation we see in Y?

Confused? Read Romans 1:18-32 and then come to Tom and Regina’s house this Thursday night (Nov 12) for What Does the Bible Say About Gay? The fun starts at 7:30. And this week, bring a pen!

If you need directions, email us at ccfb.biblestudy@gmail.com.

Thursday Night Bible Study Postponed

October 28th, 2009 by bryancurrie

Well, friends, I have sad, sad news. Due to unforseen circumstances, we need to cancel this week’s edition of our What Does the Bible Say About Gay? Bible study. Those of you who had already planned to come on Thursday night will have to find another way to fill your evening.

Watch a movie. Read a book. Hold hands with someone. Or, if you really want to impress the teacher, you can review the notes from our last two sessions. That way you’ll be extra-prepared when we resume the study on Nov 12 and talk about Romans 1:18-32.

Session 1 Notes: Sodom and Gomorrah
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21020722/Sodom-Study-Notes

Session 2 Notes: The Law
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21370188/Leviticus-Study-Notes

temporary dislocation to heaven

October 24th, 2009 by jentb

Hi everyone! If you’re on the CCfB email list, then you should have gotten Casey’s email notice that this Sunday, tomorrow, October 25, we are convening at Tom & Regina’s instead of the cafeteria at PS 261. (If you need their address, email them or me or Casey and we will get you some directions.) The school is doing some renovating at the moment, and because (as we are continuing to discuss this week in our Wright series!) we value our bodies and do not wish to endanger them unduly, we are not going to get in the way!

Tom and Regina are always great hosts and I am anticipating a comfy cozy and informal discussion of Wright’s chapter 10-11 tomorrow, on bodily resurrection and notions of afterlife. I am planning on bringing some Dunkin’ Donuts and possibly there is some other CCfBer out there who’s now taken on our usual bagel gig…And really, if hanging out together with donuts and bagels and coffee in comfy chairs is not a preliminary experience of heaven, than what on earth is???

The Abominable Notes: What Does the Bible Say About Gay?

October 20th, 2009 by bryancurrie

If the abominable snowman is the biggest, worst snowman, are the sins the Bible calls “abominations” the biggest, worst sins?

In our bi-weekly Bible study, What Does the Bible Say About Gay?, we’re digging through history, language, culture, and law to find out why the Bible says what it says about homosexuality.

Last week we discussed two passages in Leviticus:

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22)

“If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” (Leviticus 20:13)

These verses have been scrawled on protest signs, shouted at demonstrations, and preached from pulpits… usually in an attempt to remind gays of their abominable state. But is it possible that an “abomination” might not be the snowman of sins?

You can find out more by reading an outline from our last discussion. Click here to read the notes.

Join us on October 29 for our next Bible study! Details will be posted here next week.

What Does the Bible Say About Gay: The Law

October 13th, 2009 by bryancurrie

Two weeks ago we began our bi-weekly Bible Study, What Does the Bible Say About Gay? We discussed the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and tried to dig through several thousand years of cultural shifts and changing language to see what this story really teaches – whether it’s about two ancient cities that were destroyed because they were full of gay men pursuing peaceful, mutually fulfilling relationships… or whether there is something more to see.

If you’d like to poke through the outline and notes from our study about Sodom and Gomorrah, you can download them here.

This Thursday (October 15), after we chat about what we studied last week, we’ll delve into the Old Testament Law. Several thousand years ago, when the Jews were compiling their rules for holy living, somebody (and we’re not exactly sure who) said it was an “abomination” for a “man to lie with a man like he lies with a woman.” (Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13)

What does it mean to be an abomination? Do these scriptures condemn homosexuality as we see it in contemporary society? If we take scripture seriously – and at CCfB we do take scripture seriously – we must wrestle with these issues and decide… What Does the Bible Say About Gay?

Join us this Thursday at Tom and Regina’s. Learn something. Teach something. Be challenged by something.

The fun starts at 7:30. Email us at ccfb.biblestudy@gmail.com for directions.

vocation and theology and bubbles

October 12th, 2009 by jentb

If you were off somewhere living the good life on this holiday weekend Sunday, you missed a great time. It turns out that, regardless of what anyone else may think, the person taking charge in the wake of Joe and Laura’s departure? Clare Bates, age 3.

Thanks to BC’s intervention, however, we did manage to have some discussion Sunday on theology and N.T. Wright. (By the way, Clare keeps saying, “the park was closed. That’s just rude!” which has got to be her quoting BC.)

Since we knew a bunch of people were OOT, I didn’t want to cover new material. So I thought it might be good to pause and talk about what we’ve covered so far. But it’s also been a couple weeks since our last Wright class, so I knew we would need some other way to get back into it. I figured it might work to talk a bit about systematic theology, what I like about what I do, and what that has to do with N.T. Wright. It was maybe a good idea, but we didn’t really get to the Wright stuff. (I had a hard time focusing on what I was doing with all the toddlerish whining and shrieking and everything.)

So here’s a quick sketch of what we did cover in our brief discussion:

definitions for theology: theos=God, ology=study of; God-talk (a sort of literal definition, one of my favorites); and the classic St. Anselm, “faith seeking understanding.”

But what is “systematic theology?” Systematic theology focuses on the connections between doctrines–looks at Christian faith as a “system” in which everything is interconnected.

JTB's quick and dirty systematic theology chart

JTB's quick and dirty systematic theology chart

What you see above is a little sketch I made of the seven traditional loci of theological reflection. The -ologies translate into God, Christ, Holy Spirit, Humanity, Church, Salvation, and “end-times” (in quotes because I hate this phrase, hijacked as it is by the Left Behinders). What’s important about the chart are the connections between the loci–although, I’d like to point out, there are more connections to be made, and your lines of connection might be different than mine. It might be fun to make your own (and if you want to use the nifty bubble chart like I did, you can go to bubble.us for a free online concept mapping tool).

So the point is, what we believe about, say, the church (ecclesiology), connects to our notions of salvation (soteriology) and to our beliefs about Christ (Christology). And what we say about Christ–at the core of the Christian faith–has implications for everything else: our ideas about who God is, how the Spirit works, what human beings are/should be, what/how salvation does, what the church is and what the church should be doing, and what God intends as the end (in both senses, end of time and end-as-purpose) of the world.

So this is what I do all day. Contemplate how these ideas interact, and how changing our God-talk on one point impacts our faith on some other point, or possibly all other points. (Specifically, what happens when “cyborg” becomes part of our God-talk? But I’ll not pursue this now…:) If it sounds lonely, well, it kindof is. If it sounds boring, well, I don’t think so, but then again, this is my own weird vocation, and I prefer concepts to people anyhow. (Except for CCfB people. Of course.)

As I said yesterday, we’re a curious bunch so I don’t have to make a case for using our brains in church or thinking about faith or the value of asking hard questions. We’re sort of all about that. And because that’s true we also know that you can never stop with just one hard question. Instead that first hard question—if you’re really serious about it—is like your brain’s gateway drug into the hard core addiction of systematic theology. And it doesn’t matter what exactly that first question is, whether it’s “does God really exist” or “why do bad things happen” or “are they just BSing me with this Intelligent Design thing because evolution actually seems sort of reasonable” or whatever. All questions lead to all other questions.

So how does this lead back to our discussion of  N.T. Wright’s Surprised by Hope? Well, the subtitle of the book is: “Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church.” What Wright is doing, at least in part, is following the lines of connection between specific doctrines that give us this peculiar Christian notion of hope. What is heaven? That’s an eschatological question, but it’s answered best, in Wright’s opinion, but going to soteriology–the doctrine of resurrection. So Wright follows the systematic connections from this after-life, end-times question to a question about what does it mean to be saved, to be resurrected? And there, he talks about the importance of bodily resurrection–following the lines of connection further, to theological anthropology, arguing that part of what it means to be human is to be embodied. So there is a connection between heaven/hell and our ideas of afterlife and endtimes to our notions of salvation and resurrection, and these notions also tell us what it means to have been created human by God. (This is about where we’re at in our study.) And finally, Wright will move to what I like to call the “so-what” question: what does this mean for us right now, for how we live our lives individually and communally, as the church? So a final connection is made, to a doctrine of the church’s mission (ecclesiology).

If you’re feeling a little dizzy…that’s quite a lot of ground to cover, really. And skipping from one doctrine to another can be disconcerting, if the lines of connection aren’t clear pathways to follow. So my hope was that if we could map some of this out, we could more easily follow along with Wright as he moves from a consideration of resurrection, to what it means to be human, to Christ’s person and work, to a re-worked notion of heaven and afterlife, to a so-what notion of the nature and mission of the church in this world.

what the whole world’s waiting for

September 25th, 2009 by jentb

What happens next? & What do we do now?:

(a study series on Hope, Heaven, and Resurrection, based on N. T. Wright’s Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church. San Francisco: HarperCollins, 2008.)

Part I: Setting the Scene

what is “hope”? (chapters 1 and 2)

early Christian hope in its historical setting (chapter 3)

the resurrection (chapter 4)

Part II: God’s Future Plan

cosmic future: progress or despair? (chapter 5)

“what the whole world’s waiting for”: resurrection and redemption (chapter 6)

what is “the second coming” of Christ all about? (chapters 7-9)

the redemption of bodies (chapter 10)

heaven, hell, limbo, purgatory, and other scenarios of the afterlife (chapter 11)

Part III: Hope in Practice (the “so-what”)

defining “salvation” and “kingdom of God” (chapters 12 and 13)

redefining “mission” (chapter 14 and 15)

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hi everyone!

If you were with us Sunday, then you will recognize the outline above as the handout we passed around–it’s just a general outline of the shape of this series, which–including the essential Brunch Breaks and an occasional “On Vocation” talk–will take us all the way to Advent. (When, of course, we will switch from talking about resurrection and ascension and start anticipating Jesus’ arrival instead of his departure. Full circle!)

I’m a little late in posting my bloggy follow-up, so my apologies.

One of the things I would have liked to talk more about are the images of resurrection Wright highlights in the book: seedtime and harvest, new birth, and marriage. The Corinthians passage Steven posted a couple weeks ago contains Paul’s metaphor of the seed:

But someone will ask, ‘How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?’ Fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And as for what you sow, you do not sow the body that is to be, but a bare seed, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. (1 Cor 15: 35-38)

Wright cites Romans 8, for the image of new birth, and comments:

Paul then uses the image of birth pangs…Once again this highlights both continuity and discontinuity. This is no smooth evolutionary transition, in which creation simply moves up another gear into a higher mode of life. This is traumatic, involving convulsions and contractions and the radical discontinuity in which mother and child are parted and become not one being but two…[But] the metaphor Paul chooses shows that what he has in mind is not the unmaking of the creation but the drastic and dramatic birth of new creation from the womb of the old. (103-104)

Wright calls the image of marriage “perhaps the greatest image of new creation, of cosmic renewal, in the whole Bible,” interpreting the images of the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven as a bride adorned for her husband, in Revelation, as “it is not we who go to heaven, it is heaven that comes to earth” (104).

Here are some questions I’d be interested in hearing your responses to:

  1. which of these images speaks most eloquently to you? why?
  2. why is it so important to Wright’s thesis that images of resurrection demonstrate both continuity and discontinuity?
  3. what does this mean in terms of our valuing of physical existence, our own bodies, and the material world of God’s creation?

New Bible Study: What does the Bible say about Gay?

September 22nd, 2009 by bryancurrie

Christ’s Church for Brooklyn prides itself on many things.  We’re proud of (and grateful to) Marcus for bringing his heart-attack special to our once-a-month brunches.  We’re proud of our kids for waving their arms when they sing “God Made the Big Round Sun.”  And we’re especially proud of ourselves for being willing to openly and honestly discuss issues on which we sometimes disagree.

That’s why we’re also proud to announce a new bi-weekly Bible study… What Does the Bible Say about Gay?

At CCfB, we have a committed group of gay/lesbian members who feel loved, welcomed, and accepted by our church (trust me, we do).  As such, we think it’s important for our church to better understand how gay Christians interpret what the Bible says about homosexuality.

During What Does the Bible Say about Gay? we’ll present the ideas that gay theologians use to reconcile their sexuality with their spirituality.  We’ll study scripture, Biblical history, and even do a little entry-level textual analysis.

There will be plenty of room to discuss and question both sides of this controversial issue.  We won’t try to change people’s minds… just inform people’s minds.

Come join us on Thursday Oct 1 at Tom and Regina’s house.
(email Us at ccfb.biblestudy@gmail.com for directions)

Comment below to let us know you plan to attend!

What: bi-weekly Bible study: What Does the Bible Say about Gay?

When: Thursday, Oct 1 (7:30pm – 9:00pm)

Where: Tom and Regina’s house.  Email Us at ccfb.biblestudy@gmail.com for directions!

Christ’s Resurrection and Us

September 9th, 2009 by sjbaird

Tomorrow we’ll be starting a new series about Christ’s Resurrection and what it means for us today. We’ll be approaching the topic in way that will engage everyone and we’ll be trying some new things to help get everyone involved in the discussion. So come prepared to engage. A central passage to this study is 1 Corinthians 15 so I’ve posted it below to give you a head start.

The Resurrection of Christ

Now I should remind you, brothers and sisters, of the good news that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, 2through which also you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain.

3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8Last of all, as to someone untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace towards me has not been in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them—though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11Whether then it was I or they, so we proclaim and so you have come to believe.

The Resurrection of the Dead

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14and if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ—whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. 17If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have died in Christ have perished. 19If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died. 21For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; 22for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after he has destroyed every ruler and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For ‘God has put all things in subjection under his feet.’ But when it says, ‘All things are put in subjection’, it is plain that this does not include the one who put all things in subjection under him. 28When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.

29 Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?

30 And why are we putting ourselves in danger every hour? 31I die every day! That is as certain, brothers and sisters, as my boasting of you—a boast that I make in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If with merely human hopes I fought with wild animals at Ephesus, what would I have gained by it? If the dead are not raised,
‘Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.’
33Do not be deceived:
‘Bad company ruins good morals.’
34Come to a sober and right mind, and sin no more; for some people have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.

The Resurrection Body

35 But someone will ask, ‘How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?’ 36Fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And as for what you sow, you do not sow the body that is to be, but a bare seed, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39Not all flesh is alike, but there is one flesh for human beings, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one thing, and that of the earthly is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; indeed, star differs from star in glory.

42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. 45Thus it is written, ‘The first man, Adam, became a living being’; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46But it is not the spiritual that is first, but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is* from heaven. 48As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven.

50 What I am saying, brothers and sisters, is this: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled:
‘Death has been swallowed up in victory.’
55‘Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?’
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved, be steadfast, immovable, always excelling in the work of the Lord, because you know that in the Lord your labour is not in vain.